Recovering from a Type-V AC Separation Without Surgery
I’m writing about my experience with a type V/grade 5 AC shoulder separation to help other active people who have suffered the same, by detailing what it was like for me to recover without surgery. This is info I wished I’d had in the beginning.
Well, At Least I’ve Got A Good Story…
In late September, 2007, seven days before the end of a two-month mountain bike tour down the Great Divide Mountain Bike Route, I went over the handlebars in the middle of nowhere, New Mexico. I landed on my shoulder and felt an almost instant body-numbing pain and within minutes had a huge bulge growing on the top of my shoulder where the collar bone hooks into the shoulder joint. This was the most painful and severe injury I’ve ever had.
I went to the E.R. (quite an adventure in itself) and they took x-rays and determined the shoulder was dislocated and separated. They gave me pain medication of some sort (I can’t remember now) and set the shoulder back in its socket. They placed my arm in a sling and said they couldn’t do anything about the dislocation and that I should see an orthopedic surgeon within a week.
I saw an orthopedic surgeon in about three or four days and he had a new set of x-rays taken. He concluded that I had a Type-V AC separation that was reducible–meaning that the collar bone could be pushed back down to meet the shoulder joint (though it would pop back up when released), something not always possible with a Type-V. I got lucky, since surgery would be a must if it was not reducible. Upon further research, I’ve found that this kind of type-V separation is like a very severe type-III separation.
[Good illustrations & diagrams]
[A good explanation of the types of AC separations ]
My surgeon said that 90% of surgeons would recommend surgery, but a few on the cutting edge of shoulder work are now advising some (highly motivated) patients to see how successful they can be in rehabilitating the shoulder without surgery. I was highly motivated to see what I could do to rehab my shoulder without surgery. He said that surgery would be a possibility later if I could not get my shoulder to function the way I needed it to.
I had been able to bring back my right shoulder (the same one now separated) from a pretty severe rotator cuff tear with physical therapy alone five years previously. I have been a pretty consistent weight lifter since I was 19, doing things like pull ups, squats, bench press and other major lifts at a high intensity. I knew my body, and if it was possible at all, I felt like I could do it. My other motivation to do it on my own was that I had major-medical coverage only, and I’d end up paying for surgery mostly out of pocket. I also get incredibly queasy just thinking of being cut open, and the recovery from this kind of surgery would be long and painful.
0-4 Months: Rest & Rehab
The first week I felt pain all the time, sometimes so sharp and severe it made me wince. I kept my arm in the sling day and night, and took Percacet at night just to be able to sleep a little. I had to sit nearly upright, and even leaning back on the softest pillow hurt more than sitting up. I spent more of the night awake than asleep.
In the second week I started taking off the sling for a half-hour, once or twice a day and felt a huge sense of relief. My back and arm was cramping up from being in the sling. Late in the second week I was able to go for walks, but would have to tighten the sling to keep my arm held up. The movement of walking would cause pain, but overall I had to do it to keep the rest of my back and body from knotting and cramping up. I quit taking Percacet some time in the second week. My arm hung down at least an inch from my shoulder joint without the sling. I had no muscular ability to lift or move it back up into place, I could only push it up from under my elbow with my good arm. The end of my collar bone stuck up and was very sharp, causing tension on the skin. It was tremendously sensitive and the weight of a t-shirt made it sore, so by the end of the day the tip of the collar bone was very irritated.
In week three I started taking off the sling for most of the day and all night, though working on the computer for even short bits of time would make it ache with some shooting pains radiating out from the joint. I started doing simple range-of-motion stretches and movements, though the range was limited to the front and side and nothing overhead or to the back. I was able to walk 3-4 miles a day up around the mesa, still needing the sling for walking. About mid-week I added some jogging now and then during the walks, stabilizing my arm in its sling with my good hand. I always kept the sling very tight and snug to keep from damaging my shoulder.
At the end of week three I started doing very light resistance exercises using the cable machine on its lightest setting and using 1-3 lb. mini weights. I ran through exercises that I had done to rehab my rotator cuff – basically what I read when researching rehab was that anything that didn’t make it hurt worse was OK to do, and I had also discussed rehab dos and don’ts with my physical therapist that I worked with previously. I tried doing all the articulations possible using cable machines. Range of motion was very small, but what I could do I did.
Weeks 4-16 were all about making gains in range of motion using wall-walks and other stretching methods, plus weight resistance exercises three times a week. I continued running outside and spinning on the bike at the gym to keep fit. Range of motion was limited–I could lift my arm out to the side up to shoulder height, and out to the front about head height. I could not carry anything in my right hand that weighed more than 8-10 pounds because it would just hang down and hurt. There just wasn’t as much keeping my shoulder together, and letting my arm hang down without support for long periods of time really hurt. It was winter, and the cold made my shoulder ache down to the core, so I spent most of my time indoors and really enjoyed the hot sauna at the gym. During this time period I probably doubled the amount of weight on all rehab exercises, but at the end of 16 weeks I probably only had about 40-50% of my normal strength.
I would massage my shoulder with my good hand quite often. I would also roll around on a tennis ball while laying on the floor to get the knots out of the back of my shoulder – something my massage therapist had told me about. That helped tremendously. In fact, the knots would build up so quickly that I’d have to do it at least once a day sometimes or the pain from the knotted muscles would nearly bring me to tears. This is something I’d highly recommend, and something I still do sometimes still, 16 months out from the injury.
5-8 Months – Southeast Asia Bike Tour
I figured that by going to a warm climate and biking on the road would be a good choice for our next trip. I could spin on the bike at the gym for over an hour with no discomfort in my shoulder so I figured I was ready. Dave swapped out my handlebar stem for a shorter one so I’d be more upright and have less weight on my arms. We had a very loose schedule so that I could let my shoulder adjust slowly. So, we headed to Southeast Asia.
I was very happy with how it worked out. We cycled about four to five hours a day, and in the first two weeks I had some pretty good aches in my shoulder at the end of the day. But after about two weeks, it really adjusted and I had no problem at all. We spent some time on islands and along the coast so I had plenty of opportunities for swimming, which felt pretty good. I was even able to get open-water and advanced open-water certified for diving.
Even though I wasn’t doing any rehab exercises, my range of motion increased during this time. I think the ligaments and muscles needed time to rebuild. I continued to stretch and see progress throughout the tour. By the end, I could reach above my head and to the back, though I couldn’t touch my hands behind me.
9-11 Months – Paddling in Southeast Alaska
Dave and I paddled around Baranof Island, from Sitka to Sitka, with our friends Kris and Leslie. We had six weeks to make our way around, which was plenty of time for healthy people. Dave and I were in a tandem touring kayak, which was the only way that I could have made this trip at all, not just because of my shoulder, but also because I’d never kayaked before!
For the first three weeks or so I could paddle for a couple of hours with minimal pain, then aches and pains would start shooting from my shoulder and I’d have to take breaks (and let Dave paddle for both of us). After about three weeks, I had a good week where I could paddle a few hours and felt pretty strong. But then we had to wait eight days in Port Alexander for weather to calm enough to get around Cape Ommaney. Then we had to paddle hard for a couple of long days because there were few places we could land since much of that side was cliffs down to the water. This was too much for my shoulder, and for the rest of the trip back to Sitka I was in almost constant pain. It took just a week for my shoulder to feel solid again (to quit aching intermittently throughout the day). Then, just like that, it felt great again, though I wasn’t doing much with it.
12-15 Months – Back Home Doing Rehab
After we got back and settled, I got right into the gym, two to three times a week, to not only work my shoulder, but also do my regular lifting routine that I’ve enjoyed doing for many years before my injury. I started off fairly easy with the full rehab routine, but quickly found that my strength increase in all lifts. In addition, I noticed my flexibility was just about back to normal. I could interlock my fingers behind my back and straighten my arms and lift up. At the one-year mark, I estimated my strength was back to about 90%. Within a couple of weeks I could do two or three chin-ups and was really happy. After four months of solid training in the weight room, I think it’s back to 95%. I’ve even played some volleyball and felt great hitting and serving overhead. I’m incredibly happy to be at this point, and feel confident that I’ll be able to do nearly anything I want to physically in the future. But I want to stress that I think my personal success has to do with consistency and progressing very slowly with a long-term commitment to working my shoulder and keeping it healthy.
Day-to-Day: What it Feels Like
I’m happy to have my strength back, but my shoulder will never be the same. I still have a very weird-looking bump where my collar bone sticks up and my shoulder and arm still hang down lower than my other side. When I wear tank tops, sport tops or a swim suit, people notice that my shoulder looks weird and I can tell it bothers the sqeamish. I can now make it look much less obvious when I focus and pull my shoulder up and back with my muscles. But it’s something that definitely shows when I move around naturally and when I’m not thinking about it.
My shoulder also feels tight and unnatural when I simply hold my shoulders back, or even when I’m sitting or walking. I’ll notice and feel it randomly, and it’s not that big of a deal, just annoying at times. I try to stretch and hold good posture when I think about it so that I don’t start to look hunched forward in that side.
Another nagging thing is that my right shoulder is more prone to knotted muscles from neck to around the shoulder blade in the back. I also sometimes still have small aches in my shoulder, usually in the evening on days I’ve worked it hard in the gym. I can live with these things.
If you’ve suffered a severe AC separation and still have questions after reading this, please feel free to email me. I’m no expert, but I can let you know what my own experience has been like. This in no way should substitute for seeing a physician or physical therapist.
Resources:
Rehab Exercises for AC Separations from sportsinjuryclinic.net
Shoulder Articulations from ExRx.net
Shoulder Separation Rehabilitation from University of Pittsburg Medical Center
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Thanks for the site, though it doesn’t sound like a “cure”. I did type 3 a few weeks back and I get the knots in my back too. My acupuncturist (an M.D.) put orange oil on one the other day and the knot disappeared instantly (I mean within a second, like magic). You might want to try that. I bought some for myself and it works, though mine isn’t as high grade as hers so it takes some massaging in. She uses some expensive stuff. Mine is $4. Good luck with the shoulder. Be careful.
I had a grade V back in feb in a skiiing accident and I had the clavicle pulled back in place with a tendon graft looped around the coracoind process. Shoulder is healing fine now after 8 7 weeks out of surgery. Still hoping that I will be back to at least 80%. Physical therapy is not that painful. I think the surgery was worth it, time will tell how successful it was. I am in boston so I had accesss to some pretty good orthopedic surgeons.
Thanks for writing about your experiences with your injury. I am on my third week with a type 3 AC separation which occurred in a similar kind of accident. As an avid cyclist I am anxious to do whatever it takes to get back on the bike in the shortest possible time frame. I have started working on my range of motion, but I haven’t tried to do any kind of lifting yet. I am waiting to find out what the Orthopedic doctor will have to say about what I can or shouldn’t do at this stage.
I’m so glad the post is helpful for you guys and hopefully others too. It was the kind of info I wanted after my injury but didn’t really find. I think it is helpful to know that for highly motivated people it’s possible to accomplish a lot toward the recovery process. But it does take time, that’s the hardest part.
Thank you each for writing, it lets me know the effort was worthwhile.
Speedy recovery,
Michelle
thanks so much for this page, michelle. i went over my handlebars just this week, and today was diagnosed with grade 5 by the orthopedic surgeon. ER had typed me grade 3. It’s good to know this injury can heal without surgery.
Hey Michelle,
I am a week into a third degree separation. Most of that time was spent researching surgical vs. non–surgical approaches. Originally, all the pain and the look of the x-ray made me think that surgery was the only viable option. That’s what the ER doc’s when they saw it. The thought of surgery scared the hell out of me, but I thought it was necessary in order to maintain my strength. Apparently this is not so.[IMG]http://img218.imageshack.us/img218/658/acsepxray.png[/IMG]
The journal of the American Academy of Orthopaedic Surgeons had an interesting article in April 2009 entitled “Acromioclavicular Joint Injuries: Diagnosis and Management.” It seems that recently more and more doctors are recommending the conservative treatment (not usually for a grade 5 like yours!). That, in combination with your detailed log, (and my doctors advice) has helped me in making the decision to take control of my situation and rehab it myself.
Anyways, just wanted to thank you for posting here and linking to your log.
Thanks!!
So glad to hear that–in addition to other research and a doctor’s diagnosis–this information is continuing to be helpful! Thanks for writing everyone.
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It’s been six months since I wrote this page, so here’s an update:
I now feel less tightness in the shoulder when holding it back or in my best posture. I think I’ll always feel a little, but I hardly even notice it now.
I also don’t get the muscle knots or soreness in that side of my neck and shoulder like I did even six months ago. I have heard from others that there’s a magical two-year mark where a LOT of the nagging little things go away, and it seems I’m experiencing that. It will be two years in September.
I still continue to be very active and demanding of my shoulder. When I’m home I work out hard in the gym lifting weights. During about half the year when I’m traveling I use my shoulder a LOT and this all leads to continued strength building.
Oh, and I’ve also gotten over the bump for the most part. I can make it look relatively normal when I hold my shoulder up and back, and otherwise don’t really care.
I still continue to be very happy with my decision not to have surgery.
Hi Michelle, thanks for your story. Mine is similar. Grade 5 reducible from going over the handlebars on a trail 5 months ago. There is a shoulder doc who says he can repair arthroscopically, but I have been doing well strength-wise. Pain-free for the most part, The loose joint moves around and crunches (nice) a bit, but I really am not too limited. Right now I think I’m going to try to avoid the ‘scope, as it would be for overall slight improvement and getting rid of the bump.
What Is the name of the orange oil your acupuncturist uses and you use?
Hi Michelle,
I had a grade V separation in a road bike crash 2.5 weeks ago. I check out of my local hospital and saw an orthopedic in nyc who said it really needed surgery. I am an ironman athlete and want to continue being competitive in the sport, so I went through with open surgery 2 weeks ago. Othroscopic was an option but apparently it’s not as effective as open surgery.
I know I had one of the best surgeons in the country (dr. jonathan glashow for anyone that needs one) for this sort of operation so I am fairly confident that the procedure went as well as possible. The only reservation I have is that I still have some pain and zero strength. I’m supposed to keep the arm immobilized for 8 weeks, which I am doing, but occasionally I need to get the heck out of that sling. It’s impossible to lift my hand more than a few inches without serious pain.
So, while I think I made the right decision, I’m worried that I’ll be out of commission for at least 6 months. I guess from your experience that’s par for the course.
I hope you update this story so I can compare. Not many people have had a grade V so it’s hard to get info.
Hey michelle
Currently september 9 2010 I still struggle on trying to convince my self weather to think surgery is the best option for me or not. I was diagnosed with a tye III and as you mentioned you were feeling the bone pressing or pushing your skin which has some sort of a stabbing feeling, wwell that’s exactly where I’m at. Your experience has encouraged me to try and rehab it without getting surgery done. I justg get terrified I wont be able to do and live a normal life when I’m only 21 yrs old… good luck to you and all the other writers. And not to forget, thanks for sharing it was extremly helpful!
Hi Caleb,
After all the research I did on the different types of separations, if it were me, I’d definitely go the rehab route. I read often and heard from my physical therapist that the rehab after surgery is just as long anyway, and can sometimes be more painful because you’re also healing from the incision and work they did inside. Find yourself a PT who is known to be good on shoulders! Don’t settle. Look him or her up and down and ask if they take care of their body like you do. Mine was obviously highly fit and very strong. I really think that makes a difference.
First, though, you need to leave it alone for a few weeks–ask your PT how long. Wear your sling as much as possible and let your shoulder calm down for a bit. Try to ignore the really awful feeling of the bone pressure poking on your skin. That will be there for some time, but you will adjust and it will eventually round out and not be so sharp. Mine was crazy sharp and sticking up really far, and now if I hold good posture you can hardly notice it. I’m really amazed.
I think because you’re young, you’ll heal even faster. But because you’re young it might be hard to do what it takes to let it heal best. Work hard once you start rehabbing, be consistent and work at least 3 times a week on it for the first six months, and then stick with at least twice a week for the next six months. (And don’t be fooled–rehabbing hurts. Let your PT give you guidance.) Then figure you’ll need to do maintenance work on it for the next couple of years. Even if you had surgery, you’d still want to do this for the best outcome.
I can’t believe how many people I meet who have shoulder trouble years after an injury, surgery or not. When I ask them about it, they usually didn’t do much rehab (especially after surgery) and they don’t do anything now. I just can’t imagine not staying fit and dealing with pain for no reason!
Good luck,
Michelle
THREE YEAR UPDATE
Ok, it’s been three years since my type 5 AC separation and it’s time for an update.
I have 100% strength and range of motion. Most of the time I forget anything ever happened. I lift weights, can do pull ups, paddle sports, whatever–I have no limitations on activity. The only time it ever hurts is once in a while if the weather changes rapidly, like a big storm blowing in, it aches a bit, deep in the joint. I understand this is unavoidable and would happen with or without surgery on some people. Also, I still sometimes feel sore if I sleep on that side for a long time at night, though now when it hurts I sort of ignore it. I know now that there is nothing being injured because it’s totally solid. It’s only a nuisance I guess.
I continue to work my shoulder at the gym, but not a lot. In general, I do a wide variety of activities and am pretty active all throughout each week. I think this is key.
So, I continue to be very happy with my decision to rehab my shoulder without surgery. But I know that I’m not the average person–I actually ENJOY being in the weight room and I know I’ll always enjoy being fit and strong. For people who are not as motivated, I realize it is more of a challenge. But when I talk to people who never did much rehab, with or without surgery, they are always dealing with nagging pain and limited range of motion. In the end, it’s less about the surgery and more about putting in the effort to fix your shoulder. Either way, you’re looking at some work after the injury. I just can’t talk enough about how worthwhile the work is.
Good luck to you all,
Michelle
Wish I could say I did my shoulder in while skiing or biking. Alas, it was while riding the Vespa in the rain….I know, a classic. Type V and I’m not young or in good shape. Guess this is my motivator to finally get a gym membership!
Your story and recovery process is almost identical to mine, except that mine was a type 3 and my recovery time was slightly faster (simply because type 5 is the same as type 3 except for the muscle puncture).
To anyone new to AC separation, I believe rehab is the best way to go. I had a snowboarding accident that popped my clavicle out and it had the acromio end of the clavicle popping out and poking my skin. I decided to do rehab because surgery only ends up screwing or tightening your clavicle down to your scapula and that actually restricts some healing process and restricts some movements for a few. I know some people fully recover from it, but a few doesn’t it just varies… and I know that surgery actually prolongs the healing process.
I’m on my 8th month and I have about 90% of my full strength back.
At first like Michelle, I couldn’t lift or move my arm much without the help of actually lifting it with my other arm. I kept mine in a sling for about 3 weeks. Around the 5th or 6th week, I went and did several arm exercises (mostly just lifting my arms to gain my range back) in order to strengthen my torn ligaments and muscles.
I actually measured my shoulder strength simply by getting into a push up position… and if you had an AC separation I’m pretty sure everyone can agree that the push up position was VERY PAINFUL. Anyways around 10th week I was able to do 1 push up and that was it… I continued doing my rehab, and always tried to do more push ups after that… I was finally able to do 3 push ups by week 12. and made it to 10 push ups by week 14.
Now remember not only is rehabbing important for muscle and ligament development, I highly recommend some cardio such as light jogging that will loosen the tension around the shoulder.
Now I am an average lifter. I use to bench about 155 before the accident, and by the 6-7th month I was able to do 115.
My suggestion on how to treat your injury is that you cannot let it heal on its own. You MUST work out and exercise to develop what you have torn which took your whole life to grow.
And yep I still have that nagging sensation here and there. And it does feels tense after a long day. But it is nothing really too bad.
Hope this helps others!
Oh and if anybody wants to have some rehab exercises, I follow these from this site: http://www.ubsportsmed.buffalo.edu/education/seperation3.html
The bar exercises really helps especially when you cannot lift your arm with its own strength
thanks for the info michelle!
i am a drummer in a band, and suffered a grade 3 whilst taking fans who won a competition to the zoo last week (dont ask)
i have been reading up on this frantically for the last week, and been struggling to find encouragement on surgery vs rehab!
i technically need to be back as quick as possible as drmming is my job, and rehab looks not only the quickest option, but as risk free as it can get, and i feel i have made up my mind!
http://plixi.com/p/53170047 thats my shoulder the night i did it, but it looks loads better as it is now! i feel confident i can get back drumming asap!
cheers
snoz
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Hi,
I appreciate everyone who posted here. I have a grade III from a football tackle three weeks ago. I iced and used a sling to immobilize the fist week. I noticed that lifting my shoulder and pulling it back seemed to put it more in place so I began using a figure 8 brace. It’s good because I have my shoulder supported but I can still use my hand and arm. I am also using Keniso tape for extra support. If I don’t get it wet, it last about 4 days. I have upped my Vitamin C, take my multi vitamin, and take glucosamine. I feel like things are going well and will see the doc in 2 weeks. I hope to have strength, flexibility, and full range of motion once fully recovered. I will start PT probably right after I see the doc again. I haven’t really had any pain but I am definitely bothered by this bump and I do have some achey sorness on days that I have used my arm alot. Michelle, I am interested in seeing you shoulder since u have had such a good recovery. I wish I had a before picture to compare my own. Anyone found anything for the bump? They quit using Kenny Howard Slings…
Hi Michelle,
Thanks for sharing your story.
I went down with a couple other cyclists in a pace-line two weeks ago and came up with a type 5 – ac separation in my right shoulder. My surgeon gave me the option to have surgery or not. Two days ago I decided after reading about your experience not to have surgery. I seem not to be having a lot of pain. I needed my sling the first week, and had a few nights I awoke up in pain. I have change to sleeping on flat my back with a small pillow under my neck and a larger one under my knees. I’m up to walking 5-miles a day now without a sling. BTW, I’m 58 years old and have always lived a very active life style.
I interested in more detail about your PT. Are there websites you use to help yourself? Is there any more you can shared regarding it?
Thanks again,
Jim
Hi Michelle and fellow ungraceful friends!
Thanks for sharing your stories and all the wonderful information. I too went over the handlebars and have a Grade V AC right shoulder separation. My accident was on 7/31/10. Thank God for helmets. I hit my head and shoulder pretty hard and know that I would not be here today if I didnt have a helmet on. Now if only I had been wearing shoulder pads…:)
So I went to the hospital, got shot up with Dilata since they originally thought it was a dislocation and were going to have to put it back in place. The Xray showed otherwise. I was advised to see an Orthopedic Surgeon within 7 days. The Surgeon strongly advised surgery. He gave me 2 options (arthroscopic or open). I chose arthroscopic because of the shorter recovery period, etc. I also hated my bump! It was so ugly and hard to look at. The procedure was AC shoulder joint reconstructive surgery with a tightrope device. The onset pain from the accident until the time of my surgery (2 weeks later) was the worst pain I ever experienced in my life and I’ve been through quite a bit. I was on percoset, and other heavy duty pain narcotics. Just awful! Then I had my surgery – different kind of pain but pain nonetheless. I had to be hooked up to an ice machine 24×7. That helped with the swelling and the pain. It is an awesome invention actually – genious.
The first week after my surgery I had to rely on my parents to help me with everything. I don’t know what I would have done without them. I had to sleep on the sofa propped up with a ton of pillows so I was more or less sleeping in an upright position. I was taking the pain pills round the clock. If I missed a dose, the pain was unbearable. I stopped taking the pills about 7-10 days later. I was in a sling for 8 weeks and did not begin PT until my 9th week after surgery. Every day, it kept getting better, the pain was not as severe, the swelling was going down, the tingling sensation in my shoulder was subsiding, I was on the road to recovery. The bump was gone!!! I went on a well deserved and much needed vacation 3 months after the surgery. Life was good. Christmas came and I began feeling a lot of pain in my shoulder. I kept feeling it and my clavicle felt like it was creeping up. I didn’t hear a ‘pop’. Sure enough, my shoulder separated again. I was so upset. I went to the surgeon, had another xray (didnt really need it). The surgeon said that my ligament didn’t heal properly and my suture broke. The news was so hard to hear. I felt like someone kicked me in the head. So my question was ‘why did my ligament die’? None of the 3 surgeons I saw following this appt could tell me. It’s a mystery… So here I am back to square one with my friend (bump) on my shoulder. Like Michelle, I am kind of getting used to it although it is still ugly. I am already thinking about the cute shirts I cannot wear this summer and it makes me want to cry. I try to put things into perspective (I could have died, my arm could have been severed, I could have hurt someone else).
So 2 of the 3 surgeons recommended the non-surgical route while the other one wants to fix it. I have decided to stick with rehab for now especially since no one is guaranteeing me a 100% success rate. I can’t go through all that again only for it to fail once again. That would be a major set back and I just want to move forward. I bought a pilates machine and have been stretching at home as well as going to the gym. I still experience pain in my shoulder from time to time but for the most part, it is not bad. I just worry about the future. Life just gets harder and harder. I hope I don’t regret my decision to not have surgery now while I’m relatively young (45). Good luck to you all and let’s hope that shoulder pads come back in style – soon! Until then -take care.
Patti
I’m also diagnosed with a type v ac separation. This happened two weeks ago and is making a decision whether to fix this non-op or operatively. I really do not know what to do. Its killing me because i am extremely active. I am a boxer – carpenter. The doctor advised me to get the twin tale tight rope with an allograph with is a cadaver tendon that is replacing the torn ligaments. I feel like a lab rat because there isn’t too many people that have gone through this procedure. (Does anyone know were i can look up the succsess rates) I am leaning more towards the surgery mainly because my job’s insurance is covering it am i wrong.Im very sad that my shoulder might not function the way it should. I am not 100% that i wanna do this. Just last month i was on newspapers for 3 first round knockouts and was prize fighting looking forward for this summer. Doc. Says my shoulder mechanics will work better with surgery and rehab following it. Im kinda nervous about surgery but terrified that my shoulder will not be back to normal :’| i understand that i might not be a mohammed ali anymore but im whichever way this goes im a fighter just trying to find out what the best path to take is the flower path (conservative) which is long rehab or the thorny path (surgery) pain long rehab with better mechanics. I wish this could be guarateed. Where do these doctors get there liscense? Cooking school geez. ;) Hope not. Any advise is appreciated please help with this huge descision :|
Hi Jimmy, I am in exactly the same predicament !! I had a skiing accident 9 days ago and hurried to see a private consultant (pain is i cancelled my private health insurance last year, though it was a waste!!) whom x rayed etc and told me i have grade 5 separation. He advised surgery, within 3 weeks so the ligaments can heal and he has suggested ‘open’ twin tail tight rope..the problem is its going to cost 4.5k, the NHS have put me in the system, orthopaedic consultant is away for easter bla bla so no appointment until at least the 6th may 3 weeks after the accident which i believe is too late for the ligaments to heal properly…so i’m sitting here whilst my mates are out on easter sunday wondering whether to max my credit card (4.5k for a shoulder for the rest of my life seems value for money) or wait to see what the NHS think?
where are you with your decision ?
Hola !!
Thanks everyone for sharing your experiences. I injured myself while mountain biking on April 1st——not funny at all…
I had type III AC separation and almost lost my mind deciding weather to do the surgery or not. Like all of you, I am very physically active, I dance, bike, do vinyasa flow yoga, and try whatever else comes my way. I was not worry about dancing or biking, but I was afraid I would not been able to do yoga again. After reading lots of article about this type of injury, I figured, nothing beats the original body anatomy, so I went for the open surgery a week ago.
I had not pain after surgery at all. My clavicle is back in place,I got rid off the ugly bump, and my arm is now on a sling for 3 more weeks. My ligaments are supposed to connect back on their on, and I truly hope they do so. I am eating tons of veggies, fruits, taking vitamins, minerals, and emergency C with MSM. I will start acupuncture next week and physical therapy in three weeks. I am feeling optimistic about my recovery and eagerly look forward to be active again. I will let you know how this goes.
Good luck to all of you !!
marÃa
I have a level III AC separation and have read so much about pros and cons of surgery .vs no surgery! I am leaning toward having surgery, but am leary after reading some of the comments from those who had surgery and had bad results. Surgeon plans on using a cadaver hamstring in my surgery. Was wondering how you are now since (I think) it’s been over a year since you had yours.
I need a “revision” of my August 2010 class V repair surgery. The surgery was deemed a failure in December. I have the bump and all. I was told by my orthopedic surgeon, who claimed he was the orthopod for the Pittsburgh Steelers,that the surgery had a high success rate. To make matters worse, he is having a problem saying I’m disabled. I am an endodontist. Wonder if he feels comfortable having me treat him? Someone recommended the Steadman Institute in CO. Are there any other medical centers or doctors I might consult?
I had a type 3 separation on March 19, 2011 and have a lovely bump on shoulder now. I want to THANK YOU MICHELLE SOOO MUCH for putting up this site!!! I read enough on line to easily say NO to surgery and yes to my own personal rehab. I can already do 20 push-ups, ride bike, paddle, ride the jet skis, whatever less than 3 months later as I am constantly in my gym, on a bike, roller blading, etc… As you stated, a die hard exercise enthusiast should have no problem healing and who cares about the bump? I plan to work my shoulders out enough to cover it with muscle. LOL! Also, I don’t like doctors playing around with my body parts! Too much risk of other problems. Thanks again! Life is short… PLAY HARD!!!
Johnny Hallelujah!!!
Hi All,
I’m so glad this page continues to be a helpful resource for people. Thank you for all your comments, they are fun for me to read–especially those who heal themselves with rehab–but also you help each other with your range of experiences. Thank you for adding to the conversation!
And those of you opting for surgery – I do hope you’ll come back and post your results. It’s good to have all sides of the story besides mine and the other non-surgical decisions. Thanks!
First off, thank you Michelle for starting this post. It has been about five weeks since my Type 3 AC Separation and after several failed attempts to get more information on both fronts (surgery vs. not) , I came across this posting. I love the broad perspective on the good, bad, and the ugly. Over these five weeks I have been straddling the fence whether to have surgery or not. Like many of you, I have always been active. Which I don’t need to tell you, the Rest part RICE is hell. Given the condition, I was surprised how quickly the pain subsided for me. Down to a manageable level within the first 10 days or so. Then, almost a month to the day, I had a huge setback. Not sure what caused it because I haven’t done anything strenuous. This pain is very different. The pain isn’t like it was at the start (which was at the top of my shoulder) but now, the pain is deep up under my armpit and down my arm almost to my wrist. Is this pain associated with muscle atrophy or is this because I got too over confident/careless and the pain is just in a different location. I hope I haven’t done further damage. Anyone experience the same issue? After one week following this setback I’m still having the pain.
Hi Bill,
Your new pain sounds very different from what I experienced. The only time the pain would change for me would be if I leaned back against something for a while (such as riding in a car or leaning back in a chair), causing pressure on my shoulder blade, there would be pain in a larger area around my shoulder. I never had pain down my arm. It sounds like you’ve got a major nerve irritated or injured. I would get back to the doctor if it’s possible for you. Or, try to see a very good physical therapist who has worked with a lot of shoulders. Actually, I’d recommend that even without this new pain. It’s very important to progress your recovery and rehab carefully and in the right order so you build your shoulder back up without causing new injuries.
If you find out what happened with this new pain, please come back and post. I’m very curious because I never had anything like that.
Michelle
AC Type 5 with 125% separation, date of accident 2/25/11 reporting in. Still doing self-rehab, no significant pain, but yes I still have a nice bump. During rehab I work the shoulder to the onset of fatigue, and it fatigues a lot, but I just keep going back to it when it feels rested. Two days ago completed 113 mile bike ride without any significant shoulder pain. I am signed up to bike a double century with 14,500 ft. of climbing to it on 8/6/11. I believe my legs will give out on this one, before my shoulder does.
Once you are injuried… you will never be way you were before you were injured, but it doesn’t mean you still can’t be happy and pretty darn good. ~ 58 yrs. old… still happy and working on the pretty darn good part.
This story has been a great read, but i do wish i could find surgery success stories. I fell off the tailgate of a truck and caused what two doctors said was a type III, but a shoulder specialist said was a type v, the bump is up there, and although i could push it back in place the first couple of days, but now i can not. the shoulder specialist recommended surgery, and wants to get it taken care of quickly while the injury is as fresh as possible. I am having a very hard time deciding. there are a ton of questions i want answered. i am an avid motorcyclist and have recently gotten into bicycle commuting, as well as sprint distance triathlons, and adventure obstacle course races like the warrior dash, spartan race, tough mudder (was going to run one in november, oh well). i also am a hobbyist mechanic, restoring a 66 mustang as well as other projects. I want to get back to these activities as quickly as possible, but truly want to be as strong as possible.
the amazing part from the er straight through to the shoulder specialist yesterday at 9 days from injury is that i am in very little pain. the first few days getting up from sleeping hurt like hell and changing shirts and removing the sling were a bit rough, but i’m already driving stick shift and even rode my new motorcycle around the block (bought it mere hours before getting hurt and never got a chance to ride)to get it out of the way in case i am imobilized for at least 6 weeks. its probably the hardest decision i’ve had to make in my life up to this point.
It seems that many more people have dislocations, not separations. I already went through the pre-op tests, and the surgery is scheduled for Friday. also i may have already gained 5 lbs, need to get my calories down. i know i probably wont race again this year either way, but it would be nice to get back to my physical activities.
I have a Level III AC Separation 7/9/2012 and it sounds like you had the same situation that I am in now. Surgeon said I can have surgery or no surgery. I’ve read so many success stories of those who did not have surgery, but very few who did have surgery. I am leaning toward having surgery because I am lead commercial AC technician and work with my arms up and need to be able to lift things. This has been and hopefully will be my career until I retire. How are you doing since your surgery?
Joe –
Keep in mind you will have recovery time and physical therapy either way, and from what I’ve heard from my PT, it sounds like about the same amount of time. You may want to look into the differences in arthritis pain with and without surgery.
I don’t want people to think I’m against surgery all together, I just know that some doctors make it sound like it is easy and sets everything back to the way it was before. Usually that is not the case, and sometimes the surgery fails and you are in pain/decommissioned longer than if you would have been without. I just wanted to bring a balance with my story and by offering comments on this page.
For all who are concerned with the bump: my shoulders are bony to begin with at the top of the joint, and my bump is fairly extreme. Even so, I have gotten to where I don’t mind it at all. It does round out a bit over time.
Also, I would recommend a minimum of regular PT-type exercises to maintain a balance in the shoulder muscles probably for the rest of your life. Just incorporate them into your routine here and there. I would assume you’d want to do this with our without surgery. Shoulders are pretty intricate, and as we age they are more susceptible to injury so we might as well be proactive. I find that if I go too long without some shoulder work (long bike tours or whatever) then mine starts to feel a bit achey or tweaked until I do, though it’s pretty mild.
-Michelle
thanks for the reply. i didn’t take your story as a knock to surgery at all. my dr has in no way made it sound easy post surgery. we have talked about a 5 month recovery time before restrictions on use are lifted. that said, as with many other topics of convo, you hear more horror stories then reviews claiming that people were happy they went through it. for every person that has had major issues there might be 5 that haven’t. the bump already doesn’t really bother me though there is an odd poking stretching feeling when i let me shoulder hang loose. and i think my injury might be more serious than i am feeling (my entire life so far i have a possibly unhealthy high tolerance for pain) i have been made aware of methods to begin exercising within days of surgery, and we’ll see. i think i am going to go through it, since my dr has seen a higher success rate when able to operate within a month of the injury. i will try to keep updating here as my recovery progresses.
Thanks Michele. Just being diagnostic a Grade V by the orthopedic. Road bike accident 3 days ago. I got a severe bump and unlike you I can’t really push it back in. Pain seems tolerable and certainly less than reported by most. So far I got 1 orthopedic and the family doctor recommending surgery and another orthopedic surgeon recommending the opposite. This make the decision very difficult to make. Obviously I stop looking for a clear answer as it appears to be more about compromises and risk taking. Meeting another othopedic surgeon on Monday and then it will be time to decide. Your experience is certainly useful as much as all other experiences posted above. Boy it’s touch to type with a slig but I better get use to it.
Hey everyone. i went into surgery on 5 august. the pain died down within a few days, and i a,m moving around well. the doctor was pleased with how everything went and reported that everything else in my shoulder looked great. i am in a sling for 4.5 more weeks then rehab starts. sleeping is tough, but i am getting there. i can already tell that my shoulder is much more stable than before surgery.
Update from March ’11:
I’ve stuck with my decision to not have the 2nd surgery. It was a hard decision to make as I kept going back and forth. I know I was driving everyone nuts. I consulted with my surgeon of choice on 3 separate occasions. We discussed pros and cons. It came down to this. I have full range of motion. My shoulder injury is not prohibiting me from doing any activities (that I am aware of). My pain is minimal and only aches at the end of the day. Some days it aches more than others but compared to other peoples pain, it is nothing. My Mother fell and broke her back in May and that put everything into perspective for me. Seeing her pain made my aches seem minuscule. So I will take an anti-inflammatory on the days that it is severe and ice it if any new hobby inflicts pain. Of course I am hoping the ache will go away in time.
Having a 2nd surgery that doesn’t come with a 100% guarantee is just not happening for me. If I develop arthritis in that area, I will revisit my decision and have it taken care of. That is a big IF though. I may not develop arthritis or other joint problems.
So for now, I am doing Pilates and strengthening my shoulder muscles. I am not lifting heavy weights but am sure I will be back in the weight room soon enough.
As for the bump, it doesn’t bother me that much anymore. Pilates is teaching me good posture and I find myself standing taller these days, shoulders back. I am wearing all the shirts I mourned over and I wear them with pride. For anyone who doesn’t like the way my shoulder looks, well that is their problem.
Good luck and please keep posting. This blog is my support group, my comfort zone. Thanks Michelle.
p.s @Tony, did Jim Bradley do your surgery? I was told he was a great surgeon and was referred to him. I am sorry your surgery failed. Mine did too.
Patti
Thank you, Michelle, for giving everyone who reads this blog the hope for recovery. My mountain bike accident happened on August 17, 2011. Injuries included a type III separation of my right shoulder complicated by three fractures to my pelvis. Thank god that I wore my helmet. After regaining consciousness, I had to walk about a mile out of the state park leaning on my bike while using the injuried shoulder’s arm to steer the bike. I spent four days in the hospital with more pain than I can describe with words.
The trauma docs decided that the fractures were non-displaced so no surgery was required on my pelvis. But I needed a walker to stand and my shoulder injury hurt more than my groin. My entire right side was covered with road rash. The docs wouldn’t let me go home from the hospital until I could walk to the bathroom…4 days. Four days earlier, I had run a practice five K in 26 minutes. The accident happened near the end of a routine twenty mile ride after work.
I haven’t been to work for three weeks. My arm is in a sling. I have to walk with a cane. I have to sleep on my back. If I make a sudden turn both my shoulder and pelvis remind me that neither my regular core conditioning, running, biking and yoga; nor my attention to healthy diet, nutritional supliments and vitamins have made this situation any easier to bear. If anything, the difference between my state of health and conditioning three weeks ago and how things are for me now seemed frustrating. Then I read your blog.
You have confirmed an awareness inside me of a very powerful state whose energy drives me to heal and become completely functional again. You and the people for whom you have provided a place to be heard are now “my team” and I am grateful to find this place where other people know what I am going through. It is so hard to be patient and stay focused, to concentrate on exactly how I feel as I work to center myself.
Thank you, Michelle.
Wow, John, I’m sorry to hear about your accident and the following difficulties. I am very happy this page has helped you and the others, as I’d hoped it would.
I also found it helpful as I went to sleep each night to meditate on the shoulder to bring healing energy to it. You can also visualize little workers (whistling?) in there hammering away and building everything back up again. I believe our minds have a lot of control over our body. And if nothing else, it leads you to focus on positive things happening as you move forward.
I wish you the best as you heal up and get back to your normal life. I can’t say anything for the pelvis, but one day your shoulder will feel pretty much back to normal, even if it has a whacky bump.
Michelle
Hi all,
I had a road bike accident two weeks ago and, given my fear of hospitals/needles/surgery, have been racking my brain about what to do regarding the ‘personal training vs surgery’ route (should the question arise). I kind of feel like I’ll have no choice in the matter – and I don’t like the idea of that loss of control. Like some of you I am based in the UK and depend on the NHS (boy oh boy do I do regret cancelling my private insurance back in January).
It was thought I had a Type III separation but after seeing a well-respected orthopaedic surgeon four days following the accident he said I would need reassessment with a view to surgery after a further three weeks. It’s plausible that I have a Type V separation but I won’t find that out for yet another 12 days. That’s 12 more days of playing the waiting game.
My injury was very painful for the first four days, heightened by a cracked rib, serious bruising and road rash all over the place. After four days I was out of the sling around the house, and it’s been off since around the one week mark. I was taking codeine and Ibuprofen for a week, reducing to Ibuprofen only for a further four days after. These last two-three days I’ve been on no painkillers. During this second week I’ve been exercising my arm with greater movement than before. I have maybe 70% movement. Main two issues are: raising arm above a 90degree level above the head where it feels far weaker and uncomfortable; reaching across my body is difficult (the arm will go there if I push the elbow with my other hand, but by its own muscle strength alone it’s difficult to touch right hand to left shoulder). If I think the next two weeks will see me regain greater strength and movement then I really hope I can convince the surgeon that I won’t need surgery (he sounded rather keen).
Although I’m more of a professional drinker than enthusiastic exerciser, I do (well, at least did!) cycle 10 miles to work and go to the gym four days a week. Fat but fit, that’s me. But I’m able and very willing to train my muscles to overcome this. I’m determined to beat the injury, that’s for sure.
I’m typing here as I found the information online to be very factual and one-sided. However as I’m a writer and photographer I need my hands to type and arm to raise equipment. With two weeks out of the office already the idea of an operation with two-eight weeks of extra time signed off isn’t an attractive proposition. Neither is the prospect of yet more pain. I’ve heard from a number of sources that post-op pain and recovery time is actually worse than the initial incident.
I’ll add an update on the 29th of September to let you know where I”m at following the consultancy follow up. Much respect for all the comments/experiences here – they’ve proven very valuable to me and, I’m sure, many others.
PS. I’d love to see pictures. Not just x-rays but external shots. I’m trying to gauge what a ‘bad one’ looks like. My lump’s rather significant but I have no comparative context. How about ‘you show me yours and I’ll show you mine’? :-D
There’s only about one image I can find on Google, apart from Snoz’s very useful post further up the page (mine looks similar, so I’d be very curious as to how you’re getting along in life and with your drumming).
Mike
Here is an update.
I saw the orthopod today. He took x-rays of my pelvis and looked at my right shoulder. The accident happened 34 days ago. He told me that I am months ahead of schedule in my healing. I told him what I want to do with weights, yoga and other resistance training (I actually started this routine 5 days ago); he approved the protocol and told me that my nutritional supplementation had accelerated bone repair by six to eight weeks. He said that the x-rays confirmed his physical exam findings. And my shoulder is stable. He tested the twenty muscles that comprise the shoulder girdle and told me to follow my instincts with training, but to remember that I am rehabilitating not trying to make strength gains at this time.
The most important point to be made here is that the physical, biochemical and histological rebuilding and scar formation activities of the body (which go to work on the injury right after it happens and peak in activity during week six of recovery) now need to be shaped so that the tissues in the shoulder orient their repair in the planes of movement and force generation by the muscles that are natural to the body. Otherwise there will be scarring down in the repaired tissue that causes chronic pain and a limited range of motion. That is why PT is so important. It shapes the natural tissue repair to fit things back together with the greatest strength and durability possible. The tissue orienting phase of recovery starts in week six and continues through week twelve when the tissue repair and scar forming activities begin to wind down
The ruptured AC ligament does not regrow. A scar forms along the anatomical plane of the ligament whose remnants remain in the tissue repair. If the CC ligaments have also been severed, the same will be true for them. If the CC ligaments have partially torn or were merely stretched, repair tissues rebuild the CC ligament, but the ligament is loser now and no longer absorbs and transfers kinetic energy as well. This means that the muscles must now do more work because they take up the slack in the shoulder left by the repair of the ligaments. Now the muscles must help to stabilize the shoulder as the arm moves in its motions and transfers the force being generated by the the swing of the arm from the body to the fist.
So, for the next few months, my little whistling elf workers(inside of me repairing my arm) are going to need me to join their ranks (whistling while I workout) so that the tissues will repair in the tightest strongest most productive way. This will be caused by the muscles squeezing and pulling the repaired tissue into final shape. And I have to guide my muscles to do just that.
By the way, I cannot run for at least another month (my next ortho appointment) due to my pelvic fractures. I plan to use an Airdyne for cario. It is also good for the shoulder.
Talk to you all next time.
Thanks, Michelle, you are the best.
My update:
17 days after the injury I returned to work, so upped the amount of walking and general exercise I was doing. Two days later noticed issues with my right leg around/above knee going dead and numb when the leg was straight (particularly when flat, i.e. during sleep). Ended up back in hospital A&E and it was confirmed that although my neurological responses are very good and leg strength is fine that I have most likely caused some nerve damage in the lower back. Possibly a disc problem, though it could be temporary compression brought on by only being able to sleep in one position the best part of three weeks.
The student doctor knew there was a physiotherapist in that day so had a chat with him and got him to look at me. Although the focus was on the leg, which they weren’t too fussed about, he quickly got on to speaking about my shoulder. Apparently it’s the worst one that he’s ever seen of its type and was blown away with the level of movement I’ve regained (I’m at about 90% range, very limited strength after 21 days). I told him I’d been self medicating and exploring different exercises using the internet as a source. Physio did some strength tests and very quickly confirmed I needed to do resistive training – gave me a host of exercise plans and resistant bands to help work the muscles hard but not under weight (though said I could already lift under weight if I wanted).
I take some positives from the fact I’m further ahead than I should be, though the fact it’s physically the worst separation that that doc & physio have seen isn’t exactly encouraging! For now I’m going to keep on with the programme and hope I can prove (for my orthopaedic appointment on Thursday 29th) that I’m strong enough to overcome this without surgery too. We shall see what’s said.
Next update after doc’s verdict…
Best info all around that can be found online about ac separations. I am a Ranger with the 75th Ranger Regiment. I am always tearing or breaking something. I currently have stress fractures in my left talus and calcaneas with some tearing in my peroneous brevis and longus. This was incurred during a parachute landing. I laid my 2005 Harley NightTrain down 2 days ago. I was tossed from it landing on my right shoulder and sustaining a type V ac separation. Has been the knarliest injury yet. I am scheduled to do an arthroscopic procedure next week. I don’t have options as I am Govt issue and require repairs. The Doc doing the procedure is premier and should go well. I am 40 and extremely active in you name it. My point with mentioning my injury-prone lifestyle is that there is hope especially for those who stimulate their bodies to heal through excercise/activity, nutrition and mental well being. It works. I wont bore you with all of my injuries but there have been many over the years. I was in some pain in the ER and when discharged. I do have a high tolerance to pain though so I can’t really compare to some stories here. I do appreciate those who opted for the non-surgical route. It is a tough decision to make. Again, my decision is made already. It was made the moment I walked into my unit. I am in a sling with limited range of motion and minimal pain. I do not take pain meds as they make me feel nasty. I will probably be eating them after surgery I suspect as I have never had a procedure under general anesthesia. I also have the bump. But who cares about that. Like others–I didnt kill myself or anyone else. The bike is minimally scratched and will be sold anyway (after repairs.) I do Crossfitt and am hopeful that I will return to all of my usual activities to include deploying and carrying heavy things. Again, great blog and keep the stories comming as they are helpful to the whole. Will reply after surgery complete.
Hi, I’ve been reading through the posts and I decided to chime in.
I am 11 weeks post Grade 2-3 ac sep and just completed 8 weeks with a physical
therapist (no surgery). I have most of my ROM back (can lift up above head, clasp
hands behind back, etc). As for strength, I can lift 12 lbs on the cable machine.
When I first started I could barely lift 3 lbs. I will continue my PT at home and
slowly integrate weight training with dumbells. I look forward to regaining as much
strength as possible over time. Prior to my injury I had been working out for a
long time.
I also concur with Michelle that regardless of surgical or non-surgical approach, a
committment to fitness for the rest of your life is imperative if you want to
maintain ROM and strength. And as my PT always says, “motion is the lotion!
And oh, if you thing the bump on your shoulder is knarley, you should see the
bunions on my feet. LOL
Best to all!
Hello Everyone,
Thank you very much for all this info, it is really helping my get through this week. I was in a mountain bike race Oct 1. I was about two miles from the finish line when all of a sudden I was on the ground, Splat! I couldn’t tell you what exactly happened except that I was tired and did not listen to my conscience to slow down. That was Saturday, On Monday I went to the Ortho and he told me, after a couple of X-rays with weights, that I had a 5th degree joint separation. Pretty bummed when I heard this because on race day the Docs in the ER told me it was a III degree. The Ortho however was pretty cool and told me that if it were him, that this happened to, he would wait and see what the body would do before committing to surgery. He continued by mentioning that it would not make a difference whether I did the surgery now or in 5 yrs, the degree would not get any worse. He also said that he wanted me out of the sling as quickly as I could bear it but no longer than 3 days from when he saw me. I took the sling off after that check up and have been moving my arm around little by little every day. It is Day seven from the accident and I have been icing shoulder everyday once or twice a day and only take one Ibuprofen a day. I also started PT only as much as the body would allow every day since monday 10/04/11. I do know, in only seven days, I can connect my hands on my back, lift my arms above my shoulder. I still cannot move my arm forward without the help of my left hand but I am working on that a little at a time and it seems to be working. Because of your story, other peoples stories and my own improvement in only the first week, I am going to give my body a fighting chance and let it heal itself. Thank you
Well here is another update for me. I have been out of sling for three weeks now, and have been doing well, the weirdest part of the whole deal is feeling the bump when i am laying down on a flat surface, the bone really pokes forward, and feels a little pointy. The skin near the inscision is very odd and uncomfortable, but it will take 9-12 months to decide wether or not there is an issue as nerves rebuild. Other than that the bump has increased slightly since surgery (Dr Getz said that it would be normal) and my range of motion is nearly completely returned and i think in a couple instances may even be better than the non-injured shoulder. I get some aches at the end of a day, but it is more than manageable, and i am slowly working through PT including exercises at home. i am getting more and more active, and going farther than my dr’s instructions, but it has been told to me that i havent done any real new damage unless i lose range of motion, so far i havent though i am scared of how sore it gets some days. I have a pretty sweet surgery scar and am still very happy i went through with the surgery. i began drivins stick shift again finally. should be able to start running again in 4 more weeks, and swimming in 8. with my surgery, i was operated on 13 days post injury so my recovery is a bit different since all the dr did inside was replace my should height, and suture the ligaments back together. the body absorbed the sutures, and outside of one scay pop, the first six weeks are fairly drama free. then pt started.
currently my shoulder is extremely stabel, some small clicks, cracks and pops but thats due to muscles still being weak. I had a lot of range of motion back by the day i went under the knife, but sitting here now, with how small the bump is, and how far and quickly i have come back from therapy, i am quite happy. i will update again as i go further and would be happy to reccomend a dr, PT center, as well as discuss in more detail my road so far.
Joe, or anyone who has had the surgery: Do you have any idea what the cost of this corrective surgery is?
HAD MY SURGERY 6OCT FOR MY TYPE V AFTER BEING THROWN FROM MOTOTCYCLE. EVERYTHING WENT WELL. I AM AN ARMY PA-C SO GETTING THE SURGERY WAS A NO-BRAINER FOR ME. ESPECIALLY SINCE MY CLAVICULAR-ACROMIO DISPLACEMENT WAS >200%. NON-SURGICAL SEEMS TO WORK OUT IN THE END BUT I REALLY WANTED MY RIGHT WING BACK IN ITS CORRECT ANATOMICAL POSITION. I READ INTO THE MEDICAL LITERATURE AND FOUND THAT PATIENTS EXPERIENCE SOME FORM OF FATIGUE IN THE EFFECTED UPPER LIMB. I ALSO DIDNT SEE ANY WAY MY RIGHT ARM AND SCAPULA COULD EVER MIGRATE UP TO ALIGN ANATOMICALLY. SO I HAD THE ARTHREX TWIN TAIL TIGHT ROPE PLACED IN. I KNOW THE ORTHOPOD SO WE WORKED TOGETHER AS I SEARCHED THE DATA LOOKING FOR THE RIGHT SOLUTION. THERE IS A 40% FAILURE RATE WITH THESE PROCEDURES. THE KEY IS TO KEEP YOUR ARM IN THE SLING WITH GRAVITY BEING THE ENEMY. AFTER APPROX 6 WEEKS ALL THE TORN MUSCULATURE AND LIGAMENTS SHOULD BE WELL SCARRED IN. DURING THE 6-8 WK PERIOD OF POST-OP SHOULD BE NO PT, ESP IN THE UPRIGHT POSITION. IT IS BETTER TO HAVE A STIFF ARM AND NOT DEEMED A FAILURE THAN THE REVERSE. I SAW THE POST OP XRAYS AND EVERYTHING LOOKED WELL AND ANATOMICALLY ALIGNED. MY AC ARTICULAR DISC WAS TRASHED BUT HE MANAGED TO REDUCE THE AC JOINT BACK TO NORMAL. PAIN WAS IMMENSE THE FIRST 4 DAYS POST-OP. I ATE PLENTY OF NARCS. I COULDNT BEAR THE NAUSEA AND HIGH-FEELING SO I STOPPED TAKING THE MEDS AN PUSHED THROUGH THE PAIN TILL I GOT USED TO IT AND THE PAIN SUBSIDED. I TOOK TYLENOL 1000MG. STUDIES SHOW THAT TYLENOL AT THAT DOSE IS ALMOST AS THERAPEUTIC AS NARCS. THE ONLY PROBLEM IS YOU CANT TAKE MORE THAN 4000MG IN A 24HR PERIOD. I HAVE AN OCCAISONAL PAIN UNDER THE SURGICAL SITE. I SLEEP EITHER SITTING UP OR LAYING DOWN. THE ONLY DISCOMFORT IS THE STIFFNESS OF MY ARM. I DO NOT SLEEP IN THE SLING BUT WITH MY ARM ON TOP OF A PILLOW. I DONT SMOKE. SO IF YOU ARE A SMOKER WITH THIS INJURY I URGE YOU TO QUIT OR YOU WILL HAVE A LONGER RECOVERY (EVEN SMOKLESS.) TOBACCO IS A VASOCONSTRICTOR. I AM DOING ALL MY SMALL RANGE OF MOTION EXCERCISE IN THE LAYING POSITION SUCH AS THE CODMANS. WHEN IN THE LAYING POSITION GRAVITY DOES NOT EXERT ITS AFFECTS ON THE TWIN TAIL. BUT MINIMAL PT THOUGH. THE SURGERY WAS FREE FOR ME. I AM ACTIVE DUTY BUT I BELEIVE IT CAN RUN INTO THE 5K PLUS GIVE OR TAKE A FEW. SO THE WHOLE GOAL IS TO HAVE ME REDUCED FROM A GRADE V TO A GRADE III. IF MICHELLE CAN RECOVER BACK TO NORMAL WITH A NON-SURGICAL TYPE V THEN I AM CONFIDENT I CAN RECOVER WITH A SURGICAL TYPE V REDUCED TO A TYPE III. IF ANYONE HAS A SITE I CAN UPLOAD DOCUMENTS ONTO (FOR OTHERS TO DOWNLOAD) I HAVE A TON OF PHYSICAL THERAPY STUFF ON PDF. THERE IS ALMOST ZERO ONLINE. THERE IS NOT MUCH ON THE SUBJECT PERIOD EXCEPT THESE FORUMS. THE MEDICAL LITERATURE IS NOT THAT ROBUST EITHER. IF YOU ARE A TYPE III OR V AND HAVE SEEN SIGNIFICANT TIME SINCE INJURY, PLEASE POST HOW WELL OR NOT YOUR ACTIVITIES HAVE FARED ALONG WITH RANGE OF MOTION AND USE.
CHECK OUT THIS GUY TALKING ABOUT HIS SPECTACULAR RECOVERY WITH HIS TYPE V INJURY:
http://journal.crossfit.com/2011/11/skipchampman.tpl#featureArticleTitle